I am not a Pharmacist. Pharmacists actually have degrees and schooling and know more about medicine than some Doctors do. It’s their craft and their specialty. The only difference between a Doctor and a Pharmacist is that a Doctor went busts their ass in med school and therefore can diagnose. Pharmacists go to are complete freaking math whizzes who live and die by numbers and chemical compounds in pharmacy school, shockingly enough [brief exception: had a pharmacist once who was as bad at math as me, been doing this 9 years and only came across one].
Patients have come in and wanted to know about other medications that treat their particular diagnosis because the side effects of the drug they’re on are too severe for them, but the Doctor wanted them to continue on it because it’s either the best in its class or the patient hasn’t been on it long enough for the side effects to lessen and disappear. It is dicey there because if you step on a Doctor’s toes, you’re going to hear about it and may lose all his/her patients. Usually it would turn out fine, they’d go with their list and their medication would be switched or it’d spark a discussion causing better communication in the doctor-patient relationship.
I am a Pharmacy Technician. I am Nationally Certified and Licensed & Registered in my state. I did not go to school for it, I learned on the job. I am now a Lead Pharmacy Technician which is basically the Pharmacist’s head assistant. I’d go into the details of how a pharmacy works, but it’s nil to my point in this topic.
When I was scrolling down my newsfeed on Facebook I came upon the above image and immediately the Pharm Tech in me, as cute as she can be, became a little heated. I understand that healthy eating and exercise are huge in one’s health and wellbeing. I understand through meditation one can actually rewire their brain. On the other hand, posting things like this with the belief that if the person made better lifestyle choices they wouldn’t need their medications is ignorant. I have spoken with some people who went vegan and vegetarian and all of a sudden act as if those who still choose to eat steak and chicken are not being healthy. I said some as I know not all vegans and health nuts (I say that with love) do not act like they know it all. I know lots of Pharmacists, Doctors, and Technicians who think they know it all, too. There is a know it all in everything.
My problem lies when someone makes another feel like they are inferior because they may be on a medication that treats a health condition like diabetes or depression. You want to promote health and well-being, not put people down or scare them. A line like, “Medicine is sickcare.” grinds my gears because it’s putting to mind that anyone who has to be on medication(s) are sick people. Sick has a negative connotation. You can feel sorry for the sick. Disgust for the sick (i.e. it must be how they choose to live that causes their ailment *insert eye roll here*). I have Bipolar 1 Disorder and since having my thyroid removed due to Hyperthyroidism, I now have Hypothyroidism. These conditions, my opinion, do not classify me as sick. To those who think they do, check out the next mirror you happen to face.
Other than people throwing around the notion that the nation (US) is over-medicated, the biggest problem we have is noncompliance. Where someone stops taking their medication(s) for either selfish reasons, someone said they didn’t need it (*the sign above* or “Oh, you look fine. Are you sure you need Zoloft? You never seemed unhappy to me”), or because they can’t afford to go back to see the Doctor for another script. I don’t know how many times I have heard patients complain that they don’t understand why they have to see their Doctor when he can just email/call/or fax it in. Your appointment was over so many months ago, you need to check in so he knows you’re well and get a physical/lab workup.
One of the hardest kinds of patients to deal with are the parents of a child with ADHD/Autism/Bipolar and these kids can be on 1 or more medications at a time. I have only had one Autistic child that I have ever seen being treated medicinally for Autism. My nephew has PDD, but has never been medicated. He went through extensive therapies and is now a “normal” 8-year-old boy. He is in a regular class in a regular school getting A’s and B’s with no extra help. Watching that transformation was amazing. Sorry, moving along. That Autistic child was only 4 years old. 4 years old and on 5 different medications. My heart hurt every time his mom came through to pick up his prescriptions. I don’t remember the medication names, but I remember one was a class III narcotic usually used for ADHD in children — it was either Focalin or Concerta — an antipsychotic, 2 mood stabilizers, and an antidepressant. In my head I honestly thought the doctor was off his rocker. But who am I to question someone else’s treatment? No one. I am not a doctor, an autism specialist, or the mother. It’s not my business and I am not one to judge because if it is helping that child, it is helping that family then is it not worth it?
I have some parents who first bring in that small slip of paper for their child and they choose not to really look me in the eye. I am the type to reach out so I’ll try to subtly assure them it’s OK because I can imagine how hard it must be and feel you have to medicate your 5-year-old child. Yes, some kids are older, but those moms are usually relieved because the kid is completely rambunctious. They give me looks like “aren’t you thankful you don’t have to put up with this?” and say, “When’s the soonest I can pick this up/have my husband pick this up?”
What I love is when they come back the next month and tell me how this medication is saving their child’s life along with the whole family. The child behaves well, listens better, understands more clearly, expresses themselves more concisely, are getting rave reviews from their teachers. Some I never see again and I wonder if they ever went past that first dose. Did their guilt perpetually gnaw at them? Did the medication have the opposite effect for their child? Was their child really ADHD/Bipolar?
The dads are usually quite humorous in their own rights. They either are completely quiet and stoic and only speak when spoken to, or they are laughing and joking the whole time acting or feeling as if it’s not a big deal.
Do not choose to medicate or not medicate your child for selfish reasons. It is selfish to not medicate because you’d rather deal with their outbursts, behaviors, teacher conferences, struggle with bringing up their grades if school age instead of feeling like a “bad parent” and dosing your child up so they can behave. As much as they can be a terror to those around, they can be more so a terror to themselves. They don’t like the outbursts or the inability to listen or understand what you tell them. Or getting in trouble at school. It is selfish to just dose them so you can attain some peace in your existence.
Choose by what’s best for your child and family. If you think it well to hold off 6 more months or a year, do it. If you think it’s best to medicate them, do it. Put yourself in their tiny shoes. Would you want to feel how they feel all the time?
I cannot stress this enough; whatever your feelings, whatever you think about a drug you are going to take or your child is going to be taking, speak with the doctor. Communication is a huge part of the doctor patient relationship. If you want to get off a medication, do not just wean yourself off it or stop taking it altogether. Definitely do not do that to your child as their little systems are so different from an adult’s. If your Doctor doesn’t listen to you or decently explain why you need to maintain the medication or isn’t open to discussing alternatives, get a new Doctor.
The best way, in my opinion, is to combine eastern and western philosophies and medicine. Do not choose one over the other because you’re shorting yourself. Medicine is not sickcare, it’s healthcare just as much as food and exercise are.
(To see my personal blog of rambling rants and shit people rarely share with the world, or blogosphere, click here. I dare you.)
Awesome article. Communication is definitely the most important tool. Wonder if the next guest blogger will follow that theme as we have?? Great to read yet another perspective.
Thank you so much. I enjoyed your article, also.
Well done!
It can’t be emphasized enough that pharmacists are knowledgeable, trained, PhD holding professionals — they are not merely folks who can count to 30 and put pills in a bottle. They know what the drugs do, what they interact with, what their side effects are. I work with pharmacists and they know way more about the drugs you take than anyone else. They are supposed to — that is their job. So ask them your questions.
When I was young and had colitis 30-40 years ago, the popular myth was that it was all stress related and not an actual true medical condition. So often I would have flare ups and just try to calm myself and think positive thoughts. Of course it didn’t work. Of course I only got worse.
The human body is fragile. It develops problems and illnesses that once gave humans a much shorter lifespan. Today we take lots of different medicines for lots of different problems that once led to greater incidence of heart attack, stroke, suicide and a host of other things. They help some people, they don’t help all people. But our life expectancy in the last decades has increased immensely. There are many reasons for that but one of them is that we take medicines to prevent some of the conditions that killed our grandparents at a much younger age. Meds are and can be used for treatment of illnesses (like antibiotics) or prevention/lessening of diseases (statins, aspirin for heart, etc.).
Full disclosure here, I work for a consulting firm that studies drug side effects.
I know some Pharmacists who downright refuse to count and bottle medications no matter how far in the weeds you are.
Working at a firm like that sounds really cool. May I ask how you got into that?
Yeah it unnerves me a lot when conditions like colitis, crone’s and any other digestive disorder are looked at as “just” stress. Yes, stress can make it worse and yes flare ups can coincide with stress inducing events and time periods. It still needs to be treated seriously.
But I am not perfect. I work with a lot of Pharmacists who tell me that Fibromyalgia is made up and is due to “Big Pharma” wanting to make more money. I mean you have to consider the source and the source’s source, but I’m pulled. It may be a true medical condition and Pharmacists and some Doctors think it’s all in the brain and deals with depression, as you can get real serious pain from depression. I don’t know. That’s just a condition I thought could relate to how colitis was looked at so many years ago.
Being in Pharmacy I am jaded on any pain disorders anyway. Thanks to pain clinics that are being opened up by never-been-in-the-medical-field-let-alone-have any-idea-of-it people wanting to make a buck and signing on doctors who may no longer even have a practicing license and if they do, actually haven’t been practicing medicine in quite sometime, not seeing the patient at all, just signing scripts and making up false charts of MRIs .. I’m real jaded. I get people coming in making all the sighs and hisses and grunts and whiny complaints. You learn real quick to tell the difference between genuine pain in someone and faked.
Sorry, got off course there. Thank you so much for your comment. I think it’s a very nice addition to my own little article there.
They are all complex issues and decisions that folks want easy answers for. Simple answers don’t exist. You need to have trust in your healthcare professionals.
My background is in regulatory work — so I work on FDA regulatory issues for this consulting group.
Well, isn’t that interesting. I’m part of “Big Pharma” and you’re part of the administration that some people love to hate, also. We’re special. Haha.
No, I’m not part of the administration. We are independent consultants to whoever needs information.
Yeah, I meant that…
Medication and healthcare are such personal issues and decisions. And even then, what someone chooses for themselves or their child now may not be their choice in the future, and I agree that it’s all ok. Awesome post!
Thank you! Thank you!
Interesting to hear this from the other side of the pharmacy counter. Our family had a terrible experience because of a drug interaction that a pharmacist warned about. The GP insisted the pharmacist was not qualified to make the call – I will always take the counsel of a pharmacist seriously.
Yeah we see it more often than you’d think. Our pharmacist calls the doctor first then discusses it with the patient. I’ve actually seen my pharmacist tell a patient that he didn’t know what her doctor was thinking, but if it were him, he wouldn’t take the medication because of a dangerous interaction. We go above and beyond when we can.
Thank you so much for reading and commenting.
That picture says it all! I loved your take on this. I think “your people” tend to be criticized as pill pushers so it was nice to hear your perspective.
Aww thank you! And yes, yes we are. & we hate on other pill pushers, too. Like some over-prescribing doctors and highly annoying drug reps. Some reps are really nice and are very informative. But we had one bugaboo rep that even after the law mandated she had to go to our corporate offices and not to specific locations, would come in and make sure we had the brand name, that she represented, of a drug (birth control) because the generic form, in her words, was “proven dangerous”. Nothing had come out validating that information and when a drug gets pulled, we are emailed, called and faxed right away to get it off the shelves and inform any doctors who may write for it. She knew I had absolute disdain for her and eventually quit coming in. I never ordered the brand in because A.) it was expensive, B.) The doctors in our area never specified brand only and it was never requested by the patients, and C.) I didn’t like her. Yeah, we’ll hate on the pusher-man a lot. In fact that was the original title of the first draft of this post. It’s a song from the 70s called The Pusher. Thanks for letting me “talk your ear off”
Well done! You made some really valid points here. It’s nice to hear your perspective as the professional that you are. A very sensitive and intelligent piece of writing. xoJulia
Why thank you! Aren’t you so very nice.
I appreciate your reading and your feedback.
Reblogged this on Succexy and commented:
I wrote this. Le Clown was feeling exceptionally kind one day and asked me to guest blog on his other blog Black Box Warnings. This is the only post of mine I ever edited an umpteenth amount of times before I let it run. It might be because A.) not my blog & B.) it was scheduled and I was nervous. If you decide to read it, I hope you enjoy.
Awesome article! For so many reasons! Medicine is ALL about communication and what makes one Doctor better than another is their ability to communicate with their patients! The practice of medicine is also moving to a much more multidisciplinary approach where we (doctors) say: Ask the pharmacist/physiotherapist/specialist/nursing staff/etc. because they will know better than me! And it’s true! I could go on about that part of the article for a few more paragraphs…
As a medical student who has learned about the conditions, who has learned about the medications, who has interviewed the patients and the parents, and who also has an overly energetic, crazy two-year old of my own, I think about ADHD all the time. In fact I dreamed about it last night… I am waiting for the day to come when someone says to me, “you should get him assessed.” I think, is 2.5 too young to get a diagnosis???, because I need him to settle down, just a bit! People already make me feel like a bad parent because I send my kids to daycare while I go to school… I spend the weekend before a huge exam sequestered from my family to study, and I miss wake-up or bedtime occasionally because I had something start too early or end too late. I don’t need to be judged because I choose to use medications to help my child be the best person he can be, and at the same time, make my life a little easier. This way we can all be a family and enjoy our time together instead of being stressed out or angry about how the child’s behaviour affects all of us.
That sign irritated me to no end and to be honest, my initial thought when I saw it was… who the hell is posting that and why are they on my blogroll??? Until I saw it was you and I knew you were writing about it for good reason… the same reasons I would write about it!
I should have wrote my own post about this! I digress! Great job, Babe!
Thank you so much, Dr. Crank Masta G! I am glad you read it because as part of the profession it’s good to hear what you have to say. I think any kind of parenting is a personal choice and it’s not like these little humans popped out the hoohaas with manuals. Every child is different (obv.), every diagnosis as personal as the disorder. & for people to judge that you are going for not only higher education, but a lucrative career that actually suits and makes you happy, is ridiculous. I’m sure your kids are more than happy and well. These people need to realize that your kids are lucky. They have both parents and a stable and safe home. That’s more than a lot of kids out there have. Sorry, I get irritable when people judge others on their choices for their own kids. That baby didn’t pop out their hoohaa!
(Of course Alice being the exception, but that is an entirely different ordeal as we know.)
Oh, man, I’d have some more to add to this, but you nailed the topic. Most people with these invisible issues–ranging from painful fibromyalgia to bipolar–need medication to function. It’s bizarre to hear others saying they don’t.
I’m also Bipolar 1 with mixed episodes and psychotic features (fun!), and if I miss one night of my medication cocktail, I will be suicidal in three days–to the point where I’ve tried multiple times. Medicine saves my life everyday. How is that not health care?
I’m with psychotic features also! I’m scared so I never miss a dose on any of the meds in my cocktail. Talk about paranoia! I actually haven’t had any suicidal tendencies since I was teenager. That sucks that you have to deal with that. >.<
Glad to hear that you meds do as well for you as mine for me!
Ugh, I’m sorry to hear you have to struggle with those. Mental illness requires constant management, doesn’t it? I have never yet met a bipolar person who wasn’t terrified. *hugs*
First off, this isn’t an attack on you. It’s just my thoughts based on experiences.
As far as psychiatry goes, it’s an educated crap shoot. Even a psychiatrist will tell you that. Dispensing medication for brain-related issues is a Science-based Art most of the time, and the drugs administered/dosages are usually adjusted after the first try, right? Sometimes additional drug(s) are dispensed to counter the side-effects of the primary drug, right?
It seems like a waste of time and money to have someone guess which pill is gonna work for your symptoms based on statistics. Time and money aside, what about the instability that changing medications causes to someone trying to lead a productive life?
Sometimes the cure is worse than the disease.
This is my question:
In most cases, why are we treating brain-related *illnesses* based only on input from one field of study? A psychiatrist and/or family doctor doesn’t even have the tools to look at a brain? They look at numbers, books, and case studies.
If my opinion counts for anything, I think it’s a lot more complex an issue than how we handle it today. I think in order to dispense a medication for the brain, it should require input from more than just one field of study. Why does this get ignored? (Money)
Neurology/Scanning, Psychology/Cognitive Behavior, Diet/Excercise/Allergies, Genetics…
…If we considered all of these things, wouldn’t it do more for the individual? The brain in general? Wouldn’t it provide a more accurate and personalized diagnosis of a condition? Or understanding a condition?
It’s way too cut and dry today. I’m not against drugs, but I am against the idea of treating humans like fucking lab rats. I’m sure if you asked, many would feel the same.
Adam,
Would you like to guest blog on Black Box Warnings?
Yes, please?
Le Clown
I’ll do you one better, I’ll write you a fucking book on mental illness…
Attack or not, it pisses me off. I’m not specifically speaking Neurological/Cognitive/Psychological diagnoses here. I am including people that have physiological disorder and diseases. You need to reread my article.
This is my question:
What’s your personal experience with psychiatry? Why is it driving you to be so outraged on it to leave a comment that should be a goddamn blog post? Are you a psychiatrist? Do you have a degree in medicine? Tell me.
If you read my post more thoroughly you’d see at the end where one would call it a conclusion I said to combine eastern and western philosophy and listen to your doctors or healers. Whatever you prefer.
My point is that these yuppie grass fed go green snobs need to think first before they decide to declare a message that medicine is sickcare. How do you think our lifespan extended so much through the course of generations? I think the world of medicine may have a slight impact on that.
I also did not say anything about lab rats or treating humans as such. I’m going to be crass because I am feeling major bitchy today. But get the hell off your high horse and make your own damn blog post.
And just so you know, my fucking cocktail of 6 medications have saved my life and for that I am thankful.
Wow. I won’t even respond to that. But, if you consider my experience in being treated a *high horse*, then I refuse to step down from it. I’m talking about the brain.
Everyone’s entitled to an opinion. If you can’t respect that, then don’t put yours out there.
“I’m talking about the brain”
You are. And there are a myriad of articles on here that talk about the “brain”. Mine has nothing to do with them other than talking of customers who’ve taken the medication route for their children. Had you not come off the way you had you wouldn’t have received the response you got out of me. You expressed your opinion and I responded back. If you can’t handle that then heed your own advice.
Aye Aye!
You’ve brought up an excellent point, Adam, and I fully agree with you – holistic care is certainly the best care around! Setting up a pan-professional heath care system would be a logistical nightmare at first. Enabling your doctors to speak to one another requires wading through a huge amount of red tape and privacy concerns.
Then there’s the dysfunctional education system, which pumps out specialists–because they make loads more money. Even though 8-10 years of med school is de rigueur, it’s not nearly enough to train a general practitioner to recognize that a missing nutrient may be Whether you have a cold or a flu is a guessing game (says my doctor friend who I’m using as anecdotal evidence). Ridiculous, no?
In a similar vein, the supply and demand of healthcare providers as well as patient financial difficulties means that people are seen 10-20 minutes at a time, which is not nearly enough to assess everything that might be going on.
Somewhat related: Physicians have the highest suicide rate of every profession. Just thought I’d throw that out there to show that they’re under stress, too
TL;DR: I agree with you! It’s difficult to get patients off the hamster wheel with the system that we have.,
Oh, my, I seem to have made a silly.
Apologies for derailing.
I always leave my doctor’s office with more drugs than I think I need. He’s good for antibiotics and diagnosing common infections, but not qualified for much else. I remember talking to him a while back about Anxiety (before I knew what it was) and I left his office with a script for 3 Anxiety meds. as well as an Alpha-Beta blocker. I’m 30 years old. I don’t have a heart condition.
I’m not gonna go into details about all the other examples, but why do things like this happen? An Alpha-Beta blocker? And it’s against the law to smoke a joint? Gimme a fucking break.
One last thing before I get yelled at for leaving too long of a comment. I trust my pharmacist more than my family doctor any day of the week.
***((BUT I DIDN’T GET TO MAKE THAT POINT!!!))***
Thanks for the article, I’m checkin’ it out!
You had your chance to make that point, you just didn’t. And there is such a thing as off-label uses. Beta blockers decrease anxiety. Who the fuck figured that out, I don’t know. But I am 3 years your junior and was on them for a little bit because benzos would have had a bad reaction with one of the other meds I was on.
***((YOU’RE WELCOME FOR THE OFF-LABEL USE INFO!!!))***
You ask for it.
I stopped drinking coffee, slept an extra two hours a night, and quit smoking. I felt like a fucking super hero.
You’re the winner! Get a better doctor though.
That’s my point?!! I think you’re in the wrong profession. You should be a litigator. I’m going to bed. My head hurts. Good night.
I wasn’t born an alligator, unfortunately. Good night.
PS. In the comments above, pill-pushers already came up.
I think you all have valid points but there’s never one right answer. Holistic care wouldn’t help OCD, being medicated out the wazoo won’t cure a cold. You have to go on a case by case basis, and anyone that says there is only one answer to all medical issues with just one approach is fooling themselves.
thank you, A.
sincerely.
You make some very good points which I wish more people would take note of. Communication is definitely the key, and as one previous Black Box writer (Alice I think) said, we know our own bodies best, so if something isn’t right, go back as often as you need to, and keep trying, to get the right combination of diet and medication that helps the situation/diagnosis. And a decent doctor shouldn’t get upset if a patient comes in saying “I’ve done some research and found out about X or Y, is it relevant to my situation?” especially if the research has been done by speaking to a pharmacist or a person with a similar diagnosis.
Wow, I totally missed this. I am SO sorry I am SO delayed on getting back to you and appreciating your truly lovely comment. Thank you.
It’s ok, you’re forgiven. Sometimes real life has a way of getting between us and our computers.
I’m just glad I can say something useful on occasion.
I love this so much! The repeated theme that despite what we may think about someone else’s medication/health care choices, it’s not our place to judge – that message needs to be heard more often. I had to post about it on my blog after a Freshly Pressed post pulled in some trolls.
I’m getting better and better results as I combine more and more approaches to managing wellness. Pharmaceuticals, yes – but now only 3 daily and 1 PRN. And that goes with 2 types of therapy; lots of independent reading; working on good sleep hygiene, regular exercise, & proper diet; and the next step is to work more on mindfulness and meditation.
If you really want to get a handle on a complex condition/s like bipolar & ADD, then using only one tool is a fundamentally limited approach. Although I’ll be first to agree, sometimes medicine is the magic ingredient that makes is possible for any of the other strategies to have a chance at succeeding.
Oh, the things you must have seen in your profession…
Well said. I completely agree that a great way to go is to combine Eastern and Western philosophies and medicine. My mother was bipolar and required pharmaceutical drugs. I wish she had gotten into meditation. My son who was diagnosed with ADHD and who has other neurological issues, did a medication trial with 3 different medications over the course of a few months. Unfortunately, the side effects were such that we stopped the meds. We are using energy medicine with him, and it helps. I, myself, have some issues, for which I take medication (one is for underactive thyroid). But, I know that in time, with the right energy work, these issues will be cured and I will be able to stop the meds.
That you saw a four year old on the autism spectrum, on 5 different medications, makes me sick. The prescribing doctor needs to be checked out by their peers. Seriously.
Thank you so much for reading and commenting.
I’m curious as to what energy medicine is. I had overactive thyroid that I had to get removed so I am on hormone replacement also. I’m also on a slew of medications for Bipolar Disorder. That’s always fun.